[Ishn]

Pimptania's WoW Server of Choice: Kirin Tor (RP)
My character: Ishn - Gnome Mage

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I'll likely probably play an average of 10-15 hours a week, Sundays being my best day for larger groups/instances/raids. I get on currently for a couple of hours each night after dinner, but once I buy the game and am not restricted to a limited time trial, I'll probably be less driven to play so frequently.

I am planning to buy the retail version, however, and I also plan to buy Burning Crusade when it comes out.

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Horde vs. Alliance - I prefer Alliance, personally, but I could go Horde. I'm not a fan of Undead, though, so once BC comes out, I'll be willing to play a Blood Elf Mage. Until then, I could do an Orc or Tauren - pretty much any class available for them. If we go Alliance, I'd like to play a Dwarven Paladin/Warrior, Gnome Mage, or Human Priest.

[Second Talon]

PVP - Bonechewer
- Secondtalon 58 Undead Priest
- Sheria 32 Orc Shaman
- Lugner 32 Orc Hunter
- Maxine 24 Undead Mage

IF I were to play on a different server... Hunter. Goddamn, Hunters are fun. Or a Warlock, as I've goofed around with my wife's character, and they're pretty cool too. I refuse to play Night Elf or Tauren... so.. basically, it's impossible for me to try druid.

This post has been edited by Second Talon: 21 March 2007 - 05:32 AM

[Iaiken]

I already listed the characters I have on other servers...

Last night I made a Mage on Cenarius to play with Tecky... I got him upto level 6 in about 35 minutes... I figure that I should be able to catch up by Sunday so we can go fuck around in the Dead Mines or something.

[Ishn]

Well, this thread is more of a "What server should we all agree to play on" type of thread, and go from there.

[Iaiken]

Ishn, on Dec 14 2006, 02:48 PM, said:

Well, this thread is more of a "What server should we all agree to play on" type of thread, and go from there.

Fuck it, it's not like you have a huge lead on any of us, let's just start playing on Cenarius... Otherwise, here are my suggestions.

Server Type: RPPVP

I would like an RPPVP server if possible and I will play either horde or alliance with a preference towards the horde since it is easier to get everyone together and I want to be able to hunt down and kill people. The hybrid servers came about WAY after I had started playing and became established on Cenarion Circle. I've kicked around on these servers and they are basically PVP servers with mature adults and angst arpeeteens.

Server Age: 9-months to 1-year (medium population)

I would like to avoid newer servers since it takes a very very long time for a stable economy and raid community to form... For this reason I would like to pick a realm that has been around for at least 9 months.

Faction: I don't care...
If we go horde, I am going to be either a rogue a warlock or a mage.

If we go alliance, I am gonna go either druid, priest or warlock (after the expansion I would totally be a shaman).

Note: The above assumes that we will actually group together and want to build a functional 5-man team.

Suggested Realms
Lightninghoof - Population: 14,680 (Total Alliance: 7,507 - 51% Total Horde: 7,173 - 49%)

All realm stats were gathered from:
http://www.warcraftr....com/census.php

[Valrus]

I can't remember what I've got except for my 60 Druid on Cenarion Circle, and about a 39 Tauren Shaman, 40-ish dwarf warrior and I think a bunch of low level experiment characters.

I would prefer to avoid PVP servers as it's really not my thing.

[Ishn]

I'm with Valrus to a degree. I don't mind PVP, but there are times I just don't want to deal with it, like when I'm out grinding or questing. I'd prefer just an RP server, at least until I become more accustomed to the game.

I'd really hate to be one of those people who quits because every third time I leave my city I get gacked.

[Second Talon]

I like it because it trains you to seek out unpopulated areas if you don't want to get ganked. Of course, a lot of it dropped down when battlegrounds opened.

[Ishn]

Battlegrounds are considered PVP even if you're not a PVP character, right? So if I'm on an RP server, and I go to the battlegrounds, I'm flagged PVP because of the zone?

[Second Talon]

Yep. Otherwise.. it'd.. well, it'd be cheating.

[Second Talon]

Lightninghoof it is. Someone pick a side.

[Ishn]

I prefer Alliance, but will go the way of the majority.

[Second Talon]

I went ahead and made a dwarven hunter, so..

Mighty Level 4!!!

...

Yeah, I can whip up an Orc or Undead Warlock fairly quickly as well.... I don't know why, but I find myself being drawn to the pet classes.

[Valrus]

Ishn, on Dec 14 2006, 04:33 PM, said:

I'm with Valrus to a degree. I don't mind PVP, but there are times I just don't want to deal with it, like when I'm out grinding or questing. I'd prefer just an RP server, at least until I become more accustomed to the game.

I'd really hate to be one of those people who quits because every third time I leave my city I get gacked.

If I want PVP I'll go toa battleground or turn on my flag and hang around somewhere I know I can pick a fight.

[Iaiken]

How about Kirin Tor?

http://www.warcraftr...;servertypeid=3

RP server, about 50/50 faction distrobution... about 20k players... still pretty new...

Only problem is that we don't wanna play horde on this server because of they have a really shitty activity ratio... They are less than half as active as the alliance.

Lemme know what you think...

[xenomega]

I prefer Horde over Alliance, but mostly cause I haven't really played Alliance much. I also like the more attack oriented classes and pretty much suck at being a healer of any sort. I think I'd like to play a mage this time, but it doesn't really matter what race. Have we decided on a server so i can get my char started a little? It probably be easiest if everyone at least got the characters to 10th level so we aren't running off doing all the class specific quests together.

I'm always on late, and the day doesn't really matter since if I work a day one week, I have that day off the next, but I always have at least two days off in a row.


Edit: I made a human mage on Kirin Tor. His name is Kaeliness.

This post has been edited by xenomega: 15 December 2006 - 12:11 AM

[Ishn]

Kirin Tor sounds good to me.

Why don't we want to play Horde, though, just because they're less active? That seems the perfect reason to start playing them. However, as one who favors Alliance, I'm fine making a Gnome Mage. I'll get on that sometime this weekend.

[xenomega]

I figured out I suck at playing spellcasters, so I made a dwarf hunter instead. His name Kves, and he's 9th level right now, probably be a little higher before I stop playing tonight.

This post has been edited by xenomega: 18 December 2006 - 12:32 PM

[Second Talon]

Secondtalon, Human Warlock

Level as of right now.. 12

This post has been edited by Second Talon: 27 December 2006 - 08:50 AM

[Iaiken]

Gnomg

Gnomish Rogue

[Ishn]

I'm on Kirin Tor now. Ishn, Gnome Mage

[xenomega]

Have I ever mentioned my total disdain for all things gnomish? I think it started with D&D, but really, I hate them. Thanks guys, you're going to make me want to kill your characters every time I see them.

[Valrus]

I'm gonna be a bit behind you guys, good thing I'll have next to 0 life for awhile.

[Ishn]

Who will be playing over Christmas weekend? I've got no pressing plans, so I'll probably be on a bit.

[xenomega]

I'm not working and my whole family is going to be out of state, so I will be on a whole lot.

[xenomega]

I took Engineering and Mining, and both of them are above 100 so I am starting to make some decent stuff. What professions is everyone else taking? I've been just saving patterns and recipes I find for stuff I can't use.

[Ishn]

I'm taking Skinning up front for the ability to make quick cash. I may switch it out later. I'm also thinkng of taking Enchanting for now. not sure really how all of the professions work together except for mining/smithing and skinning/leather working.

[Second Talon]

Mining/Blacksmithing
Skinning/Leatherworking
Herbalism/Alchemy

Those three pairings are the closest to perfect you'll get, as you always need other junk along the way. Herbalism/Alchemy is probably the most self-contained, as I can't think of any ingredients made by other people. You either make it all, or you get it off mobs.

Mining/Engineering - While for the most part you just need metal, you also need cloth and often times leather.

Tailoring/Enchanting - The only profession that doesn't need a gather skill for it's main materials is Tailoring.. as you just need cloth that you find on humanoid mobs. Enchanting is completely self-contained.. in that you use enchanting to make materials to later use in enchanting. Since you need green items or better to disenchant, tailoring is the best match for a "make your own" kinda guy who doesn't want to farm instances for hours on end to get items to immediatly destroy instead of selling.

Keep in mind that until you hit around 200, the only people even remotely interested in the crap you're making are... people who are within a few levels of you. And even then.. it's hard to say, as until you're decently in to the profession, you can't make greens.. and after level 25 or so, most people stop using whites completely, if they haven't earlier.

[Ishn]

So Xeno made me some stuff with engineering, and it required me to have engineerng to wear it. Is everything like that, or am I just unlucky?

Also, right now I've got skinning and enchanting... should I ditch skinning for tailoring?

[xenomega]

It was just those goggles and I didn't read close enough. I'll just make shit to get my skill higher anyway. I can make guns though too, but you can't use them anyway. Not sure if you can use stuff like bombs, but I can throw those together pretty easy too.

[Valrus]

I'm thinking I'll play a warrior and take blacksmithing/mining going for master swordswith, since there's some sweet ass stuff in Burning Crusade you can make...

[Ishn]

I ditched enchanting for tailoring, so now I have tailoring and skinning. Enchanting was just too expensive to work up at my low level.

[Kishi]

Does taking tailoring give your character a lisp?

[Iaiken]

Started a Druid...

Names Dayjob...

Added the rest of you to my friends list.

Note: They might make me change it, if so I will post here.

[Second Talon]

Ishn, on Dec 24 2006, 01:41 PM, said:

I ditched enchanting for tailoring, so now I have tailoring and skinning. Enchanting was just too expensive to work up at my low level.

Remind me to get you to whip me up some fancy dresses.

[Ishn]

I've got an 8 slot bag pattern, but I need to get my tailoring up to 115 to make it. I think Xeno sent me a 6 slot bag pattern that I should be able to make sooner. I sent Xeno a bag that I think he's going to send to ST.

Who needs bags?

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Remind me to get you to whip me up some fancy dresses.

Ok... I'm sure there's a joke there, but I don't care.

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Question on Enchanting: Can you further enchant something that's already green/blue/whatever, or only whites?

[Second Talon]

Ishn, on Dec 27 2006, 09:57 AM, said:

Ok... I'm sure there's a joke there, but I don't care.
Question on Enchanting: Can you further enchant something that's already green/blue/whatever, or only whites?

For the question - Yes. Blues and greens and purples and oranges can be enchanted, but each item can have only one enchantment.

As for the dress thing...

Go watch Zinwrath, the Movie. There's a part where a guy yells at the main character (Zinwrath, a Warlock) "Nice Dress!" and he replies "Damn right it's a nice dress! It compliments my girlish figure..."

This post has been edited by Second Talon: 27 December 2006 - 09:01 AM

[Ishn]

Good video. I'll make you some dresses. You're higher level than me, though, so I doubt they'll be helpful.

[Second Talon]

For now.. you might be right. But considering the crap I'm wearing is just that.. it might not be. I don't really care about what I'm using until level 20, basically. So even a simple White Linen Robe (with +1 Int) is probably better than what I have.

[Ishn]

Second Talon, on Dec 27 2006, 11:10 AM, said:

For now.. you might be right. But considering the crap I'm wearing is just that.. it might not be. I don't really care about what I'm using until level 20, basically. So even a simple White Linen Robe (with +1 Int) is probably better than what I have.

I can make and mail you one of those.

Why does nobody care what they wear until level 20? I think having good equipment helps me stay alive!

[Second Talon]

Because you can get from 1 to 20 in.. well, I did 1 to 14 in 8 hours while taking phonecalls, so I assume 1-20 is about 12-14 hours, maybe less. What's the point of giving a shit about something that'll be outdated in 2 hours?

That is.. I'm not going to go out of my way looking for cool shit. If someone can make something, or if I find it, awesome, and you're damn right I'll take it and put it to very good use.

But going to the AH to find someone selling White Linen Robes? What's the point? No one sells them because they're so low-level and crappy, and the time spent going to a city, digging through the AH for it, buying it, and going back to where I was... hell, I probably could have leveled.

[Ishn]

I apparently level much much more slowly than you guys. I'm only level 13 and I'm pretty sure I've put in over an hour per level.

[Second Talon]

..yeah.. I've played Secondtalon... maybe 4, 5 hours? And some of that was spent screwing around with a whole "getting to Iron Forge to hang with Xeno" thing....back when we were close in levels...

[Ishn]

I must just suck at the power leveling, then. Xeno has tried to level me, but I get totally screwed on xp for grouping with him since he's 20+ and I'm 13. I can take care of myself and kill stuff, it just takes awhile. I kill 3 or so things, and I need to regen mana, then I kill 3 or so more.

[Second Talon]

Well..one thing to always do is.. kill as many quests as you can in as little time as possible.

If some quest has you killing Bears and Wolves, and.. if you look around.. you find another quest that has you collecting Wolf Meat... even if you don't turn them in at the same place, get both of them, do both quests at once, turn them in when you're in the neighborhood.

Never ever ever go out, do one quest, turn around, turn it in, head back out etc.. head out and quest until you've done all the quests you can do in whatever settlement, THEN go turn them in and get the next round.


While Monster XP is good, quest XP is just as good. That being said, if you have the option of following the road around a hill, or running over it and having to kill a monster along the way.... well, it's probably better to run around the hill and keep going if you're not in a group, and if you are, slaughter the critter and move on.


..anyway, I need to talk my wife into creating a character on here.

[Ishn]

I normally have multiple quests at once. When I get to a town I go around and get all of the quests I can, then go out and do them. I dally a bit, too. I also spend a lot of time... "grinding?"

[Barak]

But.. From what you said, you -are- enjoying the game right now, at the level you're at. So why try and rush to go to higher level? Seems to me like it'll just shorten the lenght of time you'll truly enjoy the game. Start worrying about speed-levelling when you start getting bored at the level you find yourself at, no?

[Second Talon]

Ahh, but that's the magic of the game.. when you hit an even level and see the cool new things you have, and then realize that NEXT level you get more shiny goodness.. and every 10 levels you get something really awesome and new....

Well, at least for me, I want to hit the 10s frequently. Fun stuff's to be had at those.

[Iaiken]

I am almost caught up to the level 20's...

I just hit level 16 after about 9 hours of play... these druid quests send you all over the fucking place.

[Ishn]

Barak, on Dec 27 2006, 03:22 PM, said:

But.. From what you said, you -are- enjoying the game right now, at the level you're at. So why try and rush to go to higher level? Seems to me like it'll just shorten the lenght of time you'll truly enjoy the game. Start worrying about speed-levelling when you start getting bored at the level you find yourself at, no?

Actually, it's gotten kind of repetative and boring, so I'm trying to level up to see what else is out there. Go on one of these instances everyone talks about, go to new areas with different creatures, etc.

[Barak]

Second Talon, on Dec 27 2006, 03:29 PM, said:

Ahh, but that's the magic of the game.. when you hit an even level and see the cool new things you have, and then realize that NEXT level you get more shiny goodness.. and every 10 levels you get something really awesome and new....

Well, at least for me, I want to hit the 10s frequently. Fun stuff's to be had at those.

But every time you find yourself thinking along those lines.. Can't you just recall Progress Quest?

[Iaiken]

Ishie, you'll find that there are several factors that invluence your ability to level quickly.

First and most importantly is bag space... the more bag space you have, the longer you can stay out and the more quests you can complete before having to return to turn them in.

Secondly is your downtime... I have my druid set up in a fighting regime where he can take on a mob upto 3 levels higher than him and come out with full health and a dent in his mana that will be back by the time I start my next fight. Try to minimize downtime by bringing plenty of water and food... as a mage this isn't really a problem for you since you can conjure your own.

Third is your travel speed... the moment you can, get someone to do a minor speed enchant to your boots... might sound trivial, but that 8% speed boost means you spend 8% less time in transit.

Lastly, your fill quest log to the brim. This will allow you to have as many overlapping quests as possible... quests offer more EXP/second than grinding and the more they overlap, the better.

Good luck.

Oh, and whore your hearthstone every chance you get.

This post has been edited by Iaiken: 27 December 2006 - 02:39 PM

[Ishn]

I can make 8 slot bags now. I'm shipping them out to everyone I know needs one, so if you make a new character, let me know and I'll send you bags. I'm also pretty good at this tailoring thing, so if you play a class that can only wear cloth armor, I'll send you shit until we find better.

[Valrus]

I have strated up a NE Warrior named Valrus.

I could use a couple bags Ishn.

[Iaiken]

Valrus, on Jan 1 2007, 01:04 PM, said:

I have strated up a NE Warrior named Valrus.

I could use a couple bags Ishn.

Do you still have your characters over on CC? If so, and you want to raid.. I can get you into our MC raid, but our BWL is still pretty stacked... once we hit TBC we're gonna stop those 2 raids... but it would give you a good gear advantage...

[Valrus]

I'd be interested in coming on a couple. I could use the gear, and yes my characters are still there.

[Ishn]

I'm now a level 23 mage, woo!

I've done DM twice now, but I still need better equipment *cough Iaiken and Xeno*

If I get spider's silk and irridescent pearls, and even more silk, I can make my own level 22-24 equipment that's pretty good.

[Second Talon]

So, I'm pretty sure I'm the lowest level guy, as Val has probably already passed me.

Ah, well. Sorry, gents.. I'm still a Bonechewer whore.

[Ishn]

You suck!

Actually, Val will probably pass me soon, making me the low guy. I think he was 17 last night, after 3 days of play.

[Second Talon]

Hey, I didn't say I was abandoning Kirin Tor.... just.. that I still play Bonechewer like mad crazy.

[Iaiken]

Second Talon, on Jan 4 2007, 01:19 PM, said:

Hey, I didn't say I was abandoning Kirin Tor.... just.. that I still play Bonechewer like mad crazy.

Bonechewer eh? Then why is my bone going unchewed?

If you play with us we can have a full 5-man party.

Val - Tank
Me - Healer (granted I need some healer gear in addition to my feral set, but I know what I am doing)
Ishn - Nuke the fuckers.
Xeno - Hunter shoot stuff... feign death...
ST - Uh... whatever... (roll a priest/restodruid so I don't have to heal!) just don't be a ninja.

Though, I did meet a smokingly awesome priestess during pvp last night... so your job may be taken...

I got a better one!

Asschewer!!!

[Ishn]

ST has a Warlock, so his Voidwalker can help tank while he mini-nukes and dots.

[Valrus]

Ishn, on Jan 4 2007, 01:17 PM, said:

You suck!

Actually, Val will probably pass me soon, making me the low guy. I think he was 17 last night, after 3 days of play.

Told you I'd have 0 life and would catch up :P

[Ishn]

Yeah, Val was 21 or 22 last night when he logged off. I won't hit 24 until Sunday.

[Second Talon]

Iaiken, on Jan 4 2007, 03:26 PM, said:

Bonechewer eh? Then why is my bone going unchewed?

If you play with us we can have a full 5-man party.

Val - Tank
Me - Healer (granted I need some healer gear in addition to my feral set, but I know what I am doing)
Ishn - Nuke the fuckers.
Xeno - Hunter shoot stuff... feign death...
ST - Uh... whatever... (roll a priest/restodruid so I don't have to heal!) just don't be a ninja.

Though, I did meet a smokingly awesome priestess during pvp last night... so your job may be taken...

I got a better one!

Asschewer!!!

I'm a priest on Bonechewer. I also went Holy for the entirety of level 18-55..which is my current level.

Hence, I'm not a fucking priest on Kirin Tor.

:)

Xeno already nabbed the Dwarven Hunter role... and the only thing I hate more than gnomes are Night Elves...actually, gnomes are alright. Fuck Night Elves... so no hunter for me... so I went Warlock, since I'm a little familar with the class, as my wife plays one and I've run around on her character from time to time... granted, she spec'd to be a mage with a pet, and I'm spec'ing to be a pet with a guy who occasionally throws out dots and that sort of thing... but it's close enough.

[xenomega]

So I got bored with Alliance when BC came out. I now have a 32 blood elf hunter, and tonight, I was in Ratchet, so I went north a little, and there happened to be a rare black lion just sitting there. Didn't have to wait or anything.

[Ishn]

I got bored altogether. I've not played much the last 2 1/2 weeks. Maybe 6 or so hours. Still level 31. I've also been very busy, though.

[Iaiken]

Ishn, on Feb 14 2007, 12:47 AM, said:

I got bored altogether. I've not played much the last 2 1/2 weeks. Maybe 6 or so hours. Still level 31. I've also been very busy, though.

Hit level 70 a while ago, got my dungeon set 3 and a couple of upgrades from my tier 2 raid set.

I am working on getting attuned to all the new raid instances that require attunement... once I am done with all the dungeons I will be back to raiding the big stuff... Bring on the big stuff!!!

[Saphi Yago]

Once all the patches got downloaded, I made Saphi the Orc Warrior, on Terenas. He's level 9 now!

This post has been edited by Saphi Yago: 15 February 2007 - 09:33 PM

[xenomega]

If Saphi the Orc warrior were on Kirin Tor, he'd have all kinds of cool shit right now.

[Saphi Yago]

No he wouldn't, because Saphi the orc warrior is a trial character, which I think disallows trading between characters. But there could one day be a Saphi the Orc Warrior on Kirin Tor.

[Saphi Yago]

Ok, on Kirin Tor there is now Saphi the level 4 Undead Rogue

[Ishn]

Trial characters can receive equipment from other characters, but can't give equipment to other characters.

[Saphi Yago]

Oh. Well then.

[Fugu]

So now that I know there's a free 10-day trial (thanks to Saph), I decided, why the hell not? TLR, what server do you play on? I'm not quite game-ready yet, still downloading patches.

[Saphi Yago]

And I now have a paid account. Any game that can make me enjoy running up and down a beach killing lobster people for their mucus must be worth playing.

[xenomega]

Saphi Yago, on Feb 17 2007, 03:03 AM, said:

And I now have a paid account. Any game that can make me enjoy running up and down a beach killing lobster people for their mucus must be worth playing.

And you think, maybe next time it'll be different, but no, its just tougher lobster people whose mucus you need. And yet you still play. For hours. Cause you are almost to the next level, and when you get there, then you'll stop for the night and finally get some sleep.

[Valrus]

..but then you can just quickly turn in that quest and then craft a couple items, then train and visit the bank and...

You get the idea.

[Ishn]

Remember last night when I said I'd be hating you this morning, Val? Yeah, I hate you this morning.

[Valrus]

Hey, you didn't HAVE to come to Gnomeregan!

[Iaiken]

TLR3.0, on Feb 19 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

I hate Gnomeregan...never once have I been through there with a good group.

Not that I do Pickup Groups anymore.

There is nothing wrong with Gnomer... so long as you aren't grouped with a bunch of fucking muppets that is...

[Ishn]

Val and I had a good group. It could've been better, but it wasn't bad. We got wiped once, but learned from our mistakes and didn't do it again.

The only problem I really had was that our warrior couldn't keep aggro. This is not so much his failing since he was level 26 and I'm a fairly well-twinked 32 fire mage.

[Iaiken]

Smells like a shadow priest to me...

Idiot was probably dotting the boss and over-healing.

Even then, with all of the agro tools and taunt, NOBODY should be pulling off a well speced prot warrior.

My current tank routine consists of:

Demo Shout to get everyone's attention.
Tab/Spam Sunder on all targets until all targets have 2 then concentrate on main target.
Shield block when CD is up.
Revenge on main target When CD is up.
Shield Slam on main target when I have enough rage.
Spam Devastate on main target once he hits 5 sunders.
Occasionally tab through targets to refresh sunders.
Refresh demo shout as needed.

IF by some freak chance someone manages to pull agro off you... there are just too many tools to jump back to the top spot to let anyone die. Taunt, if that fails or isn't ready yet, dance to battle stance and mocking blow, still no luck? Challenging shout... by the time you have tried all of that, you should be ready to try another taunt... if absolutely all of that fails, you can always try to pop intimidating shout just to buy some time...

[Tannim]

Not sure where to put this so...

I played WoW about a year or a little more ago. It was kind of fun. Now I'm unemployed and have nothing to do all day, I'm using my roommate's account while he's at work. Any recommendations/good guides for orc shamans? I want to make a good combat guy, less concerned about healing.

[Second Talon]

Just an off-topci rant.. while your experience may vary, in mine.. there are 3 kinds of guilds.

Guild 1 - Laid back guild. This guild is great in that there's no pressure to do anything. No one's demanding that you hit level 60 by a certain date, no one's demanding that you attend 99% of all guild runs, it's all casual. Sadly, it's hard as fucking hell to get anyone to do anything. You end up using a Pick-Up Group and realize that there's really no point for you to be in the guild. Sadly, this is probably the best guild for you.

Guild 2 - The Friend's Guild. Most of the people in this guild know each other, either in real life or online for years. At best, you're an outsider who's "kinda cool".. at worst, there are so many references to things you have no chance of understanding. Questioning only works for so long, as your guildmates start to think you're an idiot for asking "Wait, I thought The Hambeast of Topeka got an abortion, not that she was on meth.. or is she both?" and it's variants over and over. Eventually you stop participating in Guildchat, and either gquit later to join a guild that isn't a Friend's Guild, or you log on one day to find you've been kicked... and it really doesn't bother you.

Guild -50DKP - I don't care that you're level 15 and it's Friday Night, you will be 60 by Noon on Saturday or we're kicking you. We run instances every night from 5pm to 3am, and since you're a new member, you must be at every single run, including the ones happening at the same time, for the next three months before we drop you down to the normal "99% attendence" required by our guildmembers. Failure to comply will get you kicked from the guild. Also, if any equipment drops that you can use, you must spend Points on it, even if you're the only Mage in the 25 man raid, it's a Shaman only object you desperately need. If you don't have enough points (Which will be a while since you can't being to accumulate points until your 3 month initiate phase is over) then we Disenchant it and put the shard in the guild bank. Which you'll never get to access. But we expect you to contribute at least 200 gold worth of items a week to the bank. Especially while you're an initiate.


As for Orc Shaman... Enhancement. Either go Shield-Focus, or Two-Hander. No sense in doing both.

This post has been edited by Second Talon: 23 March 2007 - 02:47 PM

[Iaiken]

Am I the only one here who's giggling about ST's little reading error?

My sister plays a bloodthirsty pvp shaman of chain pwnage...

While there is no substitute for being an enhancement shaman upto about level 65, after that there is very little point as your new spells and abilities just rock all ass and the huge mana pool and +mana/5sec makes you one of the new DPS monsters of the game.

This was her enhancement build up to 70...

http://www.wowhead.c...x0hZxVcbVMsquqo

Here is her new build...

http://www.wowhead.c...zy00qAotZE00x0x

Both are dramatically different in how they operate...

The first is amazing for DPS, the second is just as good, but keeps you out of melee and leaves the option open to off-heal in a pinch due to your higher mana pool and +spell damage/healing scores.

[Second Talon]

Iaiken, on Mar 23 2007, 05:53 PM, said:

Am I the only one here who's giggling about ST's little reading error?

Hey....

Shut up.

:P

[Valrus]

Iaiken, on Mar 23 2007, 05:53 PM, said:

Am I the only one here who's giggling about ST's little reading error?

My sister plays a bloodthirsty pvp shaman of chain pwnage...

While there is no substitute for being an enhancement shaman upto about level 65, after that there is very little point as your new spells and abilities just rock all ass and the huge mana pool and +mana/5sec makes you one of the new DPS monsters of the game.

This was her enhancement build up to 70...

http://www.wowhead.c...x0hZxVcbVMsquqo

Here is her new build...

http://www.wowhead.c...zy00qAotZE00x0x

Both are dramatically different in how they operate...

The first is amazing for DPS, the second is just as good, but keeps you out of melee and leaves the option open to off-heal in a pinch due to your higher mana pool and +spell damage/healing scores.

ha, the second is practially the build I'm working on now. Nearly the same anyway. can't wait for the +11% lightning crits.

[Vaniver]

I must say, being in a good guild (along the lines of ST's second one) helped significantly. I don't remember ever wiping on an instance more than once or twice with a guild group, and weekly instance runs helped me get the half or so of Devout that I got before I quit.

[Aoibheal]

I did my first run of SFK with a guild I joined. It was great up until we got to this chest and being the only rogue I had to unlock it and goddamn mage kept yelling at me to open it even though she wasn't getting anything out of it and I couldn't because we were in combat. <_< Goddamn mages.

[Saphi Yago]

I can't even play WoW anymore its gotten so boring. And my subscription is paid until September. Woo.

[Second Talon]

I don't play WoW because of several factors, most of which being.. other people.

I hate pickup groups, yet every guild I join is always full of people doing other things, not what I need to do.. so either I bite the bullet and tag along for shit I don't need to do, or I get a pickup group.

And it always takes at least an hour to get a pickup group together.. between people dropping, people insisting that I'm too low level, etc... takes an hour. To get the group together. And another hour to get everyone on site and get a replacement for the one-two people who've dropped since then.

THEN we get to go in to the instance and spend 3 hours or more fucking it up. And I just don't have five-seven goddamn hours to spend on getting frustrated.

So.. yeah, fuck it. I made it to 58.

[Iaiken]

I feel you on the PuG's thing... I simply refuse to pug more than 1 member of a group and even then they have to come highly recommended by a guildie.

But here is the thing about guilding and wow...

Guilds drive progression. Your level of play will determine the type of guild you belong in every bit as much as the level of your character and this in turn will determine how you will progress through the game and it's content.

Take my guild for example:

All of the individuals like in Ævolution play the game at a higher level and gearwise this has resulted in most of us falling into the upper 95th percentile for item progress.

Most of us were level 70 in the 2nd week of TBC.

We can trash any of the level 70 instances on heroic mode in about an hour (including time for invites/travel).

We can do the entire 10-man raid Kharazhan in just over 4 hours (most groups need three 4-hour raids).

Because of all these reasons, I only need to spend 15 hours a week in playtime to make a ton of progress.

We talk about stats and builds and itemization all the time to make ourselves valuable enough to warrant a spot on the 25-man raid roster.

Competition is a factor. If you suck or your gear sucks, we will try to help you as best we can in the smaller instances and advice, but you will not be concidered for anything beyond 5-man content until you can prove you belong there.

It is up to you to make your own fun in WoW... I lead/MT a 10-man and a 25-man raid only because I took it upon myself to learn all that there was about being a spanky tanky. Did I start out there? Hell no, I was 3T and OT for almost all of the 40-man content.

If you want to progress, then you need to shack up with a guild that has that in mind... There is always at least one causual raiding guild on a server, on our server, we are it. Seek them out, they often accept anyone with a good attitude who is willing to contribute to the guild moving forward as a guild.

I spend at least one of my nights every week helping new people with content and helping them to get to know the other members of the guild...

If you are ever on Cenarion Circle, look me up... here's my card.

http://wow.tachyonsix.com.nyud.net:8080/armory/sig.php/365872FcUCt.png

[Second Talon]

That involves either A > Spending $50 to transfer my character and my wife's character to another server (It's still $25 to transfer, right?), or B > Starting over on another server.

I'm so disillusioned with the game at this point, that there's no way in hell I'm doing either one of those.

This post has been edited by Second Talon: 20 July 2007 - 09:21 AM

[Saphi Yago]

I quit WoW too. I realized no matter what level I was, and what character I was playing, I was doing the exact same thing: Running up to monsters and hammering hotkeys until they died.

[Iaiken]

Saphi Yago, on Jul 20 2007, 03:13 PM, said:

I quit WoW too. I realized no matter what level I was, and what character I was playing, I was doing the exact same thing: Running up to monsters and hammering hotkeys until they died.

Trust me, there is a little more strategy involved as you go on:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan (basically the whole place is about strategy)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Gruul (just downed him for the first time thursday)

http://www.wowwiki.c...e_%28tactics%29 (god forbid)

Very few fights are actually about slugging it out with some boss...

Nor was I ever suggesting you transfer servers, I am willing to bet that you can find out who on your server are the serious guilds and who are the muppets...

http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/realm.html

Basically any guild that makes the list has completed some of the raid content... Best bet is to aim for the guilds that are just entering the 25-mans as they will be looking for people to build a foundation on.

Otherwise just play casual... or quit... not a lot to do elsewise...

The way things are these days, unless you PVP, life begins at level 63... azeroth is dead, long live outlands.

[Second Talon]

Here's how I read your post.

Iaiken, on Jul 21 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

Trust me, there is a little more strategy involved as you go on:
Oh, but you have to be 6070 for anything of what I'm about to say to matter. Lvlup, n00b!

Now, I know that's not how you meant it, but.. really, that's how I read it. I don't want to fucking grind anymore. I'm level 58, I'm ready to do something different that I haven't done before. I want to be interested in playing the game at the level I'm at, not told about how awesome the next part is.

[Iaiken]

Second Talon, on Jul 23 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

Here's how I read your post.
Now, I know that's not how you meant it, but.. really, that's how I read it. I don't want to fucking grind anymore. I'm level 58, I'm ready to do something different that I haven't done before. I want to be interested in playing the game at the level I'm at, not told about how awesome the next part is.

Yeah, that's not how I meant it, but yeah, the game is geared cater to the end game becuase eventually... that's where everyone wants to be.

Blizzard changed raiding to a max 25-man, the 10-mans are still challenging and along with the numerous instances in outlands, I don't see how anyone could run out of things to do. At level 58 you can start doing TBC content... Hellfire Ramparts and Blood Furnace (to a lesser extent)... not to meantion the quests in the hellfire peninsula are actually pretty fun for the most part... I wound up leveling my hunter casually from 60 to 70 in about 5 days playtime... and because I was always in rest experience I never even needed to do two of the areas...

Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem that the game is defined by the people you play it with... grouping with pugs can be painful at the best of times and a muppet guild can make you want to pull your hair out from the stupidity of it all. Another aspect is playtime, if you are a sporadic player that doesn't play at regular intervals and times, you can often find that there is nobody on who you know and that the friends list is fucking useless...

[xenomega]

I bought another month, so I'll be playing Horde on Kirin Tor again. I just can't get away from my 37 BE hunter.

[treehouse]

I am so not looking forward to the high level game. I hate how raiding dominates endgame play. I spend my whole day on someone else's schedule at work; why would I want to go home and do it again? I'll probably farm reputation and level alts when I hit 70.

This post has been edited by treehouse: 15 August 2007 - 10:14 AM